In thermodynamics, we have to define a system and determine its type before we investigate its premises and then draw our conculsion based on its mathematical model.
So, can any human being know the system of God? can any one define if the God is a closed, open, or isolated system?
If we believe that there is a God then he should be eternal and this will not allow us to define its time frame and here the position dimensions cannot be framed or determined!
If you can answer these questions, then we can discuss together if his inner system has caused himself to create himslef at first then we can talk about his system heat activity.
Here I'm talking from thermodynamical view point and far away from faith and belief.
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If the universe has existed forever, it's an isolated, closed system by definition (since there's nothing which is not within it) so it can break even.
Here the athiest has made a mistake! the system cannot be a closed and isolated system at the same time because the isolated system is the one which doesn't allow for any mass or energy to go through its boundaries.
The closed system allows only the energy to pass through its boundaries.!
If it hasn't always existed, why can't something simpler than a god have brought it about?
Simply, because such a universe which is controled by a very strong balanced forces needs a very powerful Maker to keep it proceeding forward with full stability and order!
Simple things can make only simpler things but not more complicated! you got it now, I guess!?
Why do you discount simpler matter or energy reactions, or a previous universe, and jump straight to a fully formed, sourceless intelligence? He's even harder to explain than the universe is.
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Because we learnt by logics and scientific facts that any objects need a subject to make it or to bring it to life! nothing comes from nothingess!
Only eternal thing which is over our imagination in every thing we may think about!
why don't you apply your questions on the origin of the universe to the origin of God?
Simply, because the universe is cosidered to be a closed system and its boundaries can be throritically determined or specified! then its time has a magnitude! and then we can apply the physics laws and thermodynamics laws on/in it easily!
However, in case of God, we don;t have enough information about him and since we assume that there is a God, then our imagination percieve him as an eternal thing that has no time frame and unlimited space or position, and here we will fail to draw any conclusion on him physically.
Also, don't forget that we human beings have put these physics laws which are only applied in our universe and imaginations! so these physical laws will fail to describe any system which cannot be imagined or percieved!
Jumping to evolution, it does represent a decrease in local entropy
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Here is a BIG mistake!! entropy in thermodynamics has a different meaning in evolution and biology! they have an opposite meaning actualy:
Entropy in Biology means:more complication, more order, more information, .positive progress, its time frame is undefinedand
Entropy in thermodynamics means: less order,high ramdomness, less information, related to heat and energy
Now, if you consider that evoloution has a decrease in entropy, then this means that there is a lot of infomration which is missed!!! then how can you build a conclusion on weak and undefined system??!!??
So does building a tower out of Lego: There was no order to the blocks, and now there is some. Would you say it's impossible to build Lego structures, or indeed to build anything at all from unordered pieces? Of course not.
Sorry! but this is a very stupid question from an evolutionist!!
Simply, it is possible to build an ordered tower from unordered pieces! but these unordered pieces cannot build itself by itself! it does need a builder or a maker to do the mission!! otherwise can we believe that a ship is built by sands in the desert in a windy day??!!!??
You think God did just that
We think there is a creator or a maker>
The key word here is "local". Within a system, entropy can decrease in one area if it increases by at least that much elsewhere. In the case of the Lego, entropy increases in your body as food is dissolved and digested. This gives you the energy to move the blocks
This non sense! there is nothing about entropy balance in the thermodynamics! Entropy decreases or inceases as a function of energy and order only in the closed systems! otherwise it might be zero or negative value! and this actually will not happen in an controlled system!
[The ultimate energy source for evolution, like nearly all earthly processes, is the sun.
Earth's isolated system must of course include the sun.
Another big mistake!!!
Earth is an open system and if it was isolated then we will die from cold weather and from the shortage of oxygen!!!!!!
Its explosive fusion reactions increase entropy
No! fusion reactions are of high energy and this causes the entropy to be a minimum and not increasing!
far more than the natural process of evolution decreases it
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You see how mistaken you are!!??
entropy should be high for the evolution to work! this is what evolutionists claim!
so no laws of physics are broken.
Thermodynamics and evolution are perfectly compatible
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No, Not at ALL.
Evolution misses alot of information and there are many contradictions in its information and chain of mutations! thats why thermodynamics cannot be used to define the system of evolution process because the time is not defined at least in the evolution process!
Only naturaql selection is a biological phenomenon that can be described biologically and not physically!
or else evolution would have been struck down in Darwin's lifetime
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Darwin was NOT an athiest! he was believing in a powerful designer of this universe! his followers were trying to shift his theory towars athiesm but he was not an athiest not agnostic!
So that's why we've heard the Argument from Thermodynamics a lot and yet we're still atheists.
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