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الموضوع: New Chromosome Research Undermines Human-Chimp Similarity Claims

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    افتراضي New Chromosome Research Undermines Human-Chimp Similarity Claims

    In the name of Allah, The Most Gracious, The Most Merciful

    [LEFT]A recent high-profile article in the journal Nature released the results of a study with implications that shocked the scientific community because they contradict long-held claims of human-chimp DNA similarity.1 A previous Acts & Facts article showed that much of the research surrounding the often touted claims of 98 percent (or higher) DNA similarity between chimps and humans has been based on flawed and biased research.2 The problem is that the similarity has been uncertain because no one has performed an unbiased and comprehensive DNA similarity study until now. And the results are not good news for the story of human evolution.

    One of the main deficiencies with the original chimpanzee genome sequence published in 20053 was that it was a draft sequence and only represented a 3.6-fold random coverage of the 21 chimpanzee autosomes, and a 1.8-fold redundancy of the X and Y sex chromosomes. In a draft coverage, very small fragments of the genome are sequenced in millions of individual reactions using high-throughput robotics equipment. This produces individual sequence fragments of about 500 to 1,200 bases in length. Based on overlapping reads, these individual sequences are assembled into contiguous clusters of sequence called sequencing contigs. In the case of a chimpanzee, an organism with a genome size of about 3 billion bases, a 3.6-fold coverage means that approximately 10.8 billion bases of DNA were sequenced (3.6 x 3.0). The result is a data set consisting of thousands of random sequencing contigs, or islands of contiguous sequence that need to be oriented and placed in position on their respective chromosomes.

    In the 2005 chimpanzee genome project and resulting Nature journal publication, the sequence contigs4 were not assembled and oriented based on a map of the chimpanzee genome, but rather on a map of the human genome. Given the fact that the chimpanzee genome is at least 10 percent larger5 overall than the human genome, this method of assembly was not only biased toward an evolutionary presupposition of human-chimp similarity, but was also inherently flawed.

    The title of the recent journal article accurately sums up the research findings: "Chimpanzee and Human Y Chromosomes are Remarkably Divergent in Structure and Gene Content." Before getting into the details of their results, it is important to understand that for the first time, the chimpanzee DNA sequence for a chromosome was assembled and oriented based on a Y chromosome map/framework built for chimpanzee and not human. As a result, the chimpanzee DNA sequence could then be more accurately compared to the human Y chromosome because it was standing on its own merit.

    The Y chromosome is found only in males and contains many genes that specify male features, as well as genetic and regulatory information that is expressed throughout the whole body. Because of the recent outcome comparing the chimp and human Y chromosomes in a more objective assessment, it is possible that major discrepancies will be revealed among the other chromosomes that are claimed to be so similar.

    From a large-scale perspective, the human and chimp Y chromosomes were constructed entirely differently. On the human Y chromosome, there were found four major categories of DNA sequence that occupy specific regions. One can think of this in terms of geography. Just as a continent like Europe is divided into countries because of different people groups, so are chromosomes with different categories of DNA sequence.

    Not only were the locations of DNA categories completely different between human and chimp, but so were their proportions. One sequence class, or category containing DNA with a characteristic sequence, within the chimpanzee Y chromosome had less than 10 percent similarity with the same class in the human Y chromosome, and vice versa. Another large class shared only half the similarities of the other species, and vice versa. One differed by as much as 3.3-fold (330 percent), and a class specific to human "has no counterpart in the chimpanzee MSY [male-specific Y chromosome]."1

    As far as looking at specific genes, the chimp and human Y chromosomes had a dramatic difference in gene content of 53 percent. In other words, the chimp was lacking approximately half of the genes found on a human Y chromosome. Because genes occur in families or similarity categories, the researchers also sought to determine if there was any difference in actual gene categories. They found a shocking 33 percent difference. The human Y chromosome contains a third more gene categories--entirely different classes of genes--compared to chimps.

    Under evolutionary assumptions of long and gradual genetic changes, the Y chromosome structures, layouts, genes, and other sequences should be much the same in both species, given the relatively short--according to the evolutionary timeline--six-million-year time span since chimpanzees and humans supposedly diverged from a common ancestor. Instead, the differences between the Y chromosomes are marked. R. Scott Hawley, a genetics researcher at the Stowers Institute in Kansas City who wasn't involved in the research, told the Associated Press, "That result is astounding."6

    Because virtually every structural aspect of the human and chimp Y chromosomes was different, it was hard to arrive at an overall similarity estimate between the two. The researchers did postulate an overall 70 percent similarity, which did not take into account size differences or structural arrangement differences. This was done by concluding that only 70 percent of the chimp sequence could be aligned with the human sequence--not taking into account differences within the alignments.

    In other words, 70 percent was a conservative estimate, especially when considering that 50 percent of the human genes were missing from the chimp, and that the regions that did have some similarity were located in completely different patterns. When all aspects of non-similarity--sequence categories, genes, gene families, and gene position--are taken into account, it is safe to say that the overall similarity was lower than 70 percent. The Nature article expressed the discrepancy between this data and standard evolutionary interpretations in a rather intriguing way: "Indeed, at 6 million years of separation, the difference in MSY gene content in chimpanzee and human is more comparable to the difference in autosomal gene content in chicken and human, at 310 million years of separation."1

    So, the human Y chromosome looks just as different from a chimp as the other human chromosomes do from a chicken. And to explain where all these differences between humans and chimps came from, believers in big-picture evolution are forced to invent stories of major chromosomal rearrangements and rapid generation of vast amounts of many new genes, along with accompanying regulatory DNA.

    However, since each respective Y chromosome appears fully integrated and interdependently stable with its host organism, the most logical inference from the Y chromosome data is that humans and chimpanzees were each specially created as distinct creatures.

    Please Translate it to Arabic

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    and the results are not good news for the story of human evolution


    and to explain where all these differences between humans and chimps came from, believers in big-picture evolution are forced to invent stories of major chromosomal rearrangements and rapid generation of vast amounts of many new genes, along with accompanying regulatory dna



    since each respective y chromosome appears fully integrated and interdependently stable with its host organism, the most logical inference from the y chromosome data is that humans and chimpanzees were each specially created as distinct creatures.
    ضعوا ألف خط تحت هذه العبارة.
    {قل هو الرحمن آمنا به وعليه توكلنا، فستعلمون من هو في ضلال مبين}


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    Not only were the locations of DNA categories completely different between human and chimp, but so were their proportions. One sequence class, or category containing DNA with a characteristic sequence, within the chimpanzee Y chromosome had less than 10 percent similarity with the same class in the human Y chromosome, and vice versa.
    ..................................
    This was done by concluding that only 70 percent of the chimp sequence could be aligned with the human sequence--not taking into account differences within the alignments

    كلام جيد ...
    لكن لو تفضل الأخ بإعطائنا الرابط الأصلى للمقالة فيمكن أن يكون افضل
    وأنا أظن أن التشابه بين الحمض النووى للشمبانزى والإنسان أيا كانت نسبته هو أمر طبيعى
    نظرا للتشابه المورفولوجى بينهما
    يعنى الناس القدماء حينما كانوا يرون الشمبانزى والإنسان
    يرون نوعا من الشبه
    ولم يوح هذا لأحد منهم بصلة قرابة
    لكن الملاحدة حينما أبصروا الشبه المتواجد فى الدى إن أيه
    خرجوا عراة من العقل
    يصيحون فى صحراء البلاهة ..... وجدتها وجدتها
    وما وجد إلا جديا أسكا ميتاً ... يفتخر به
    هنيئاً له بالجدى ... وهنيئا له بجده القرد
    سلِم ... تسلَم ...
    فإنك لا تدرى غور البحر إلا وقد أدركك الغرق قبل ذلك ..


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    لكن لو تفضل الأخ بإعطائنا الرابط الأصلى للمقالة فيمكن أن يكون افضل

    تفضل أخي:

    http://www.icr.org/article/new-chrom...ch-undermines/

    بإمكانك عمل بحث على الجوجل للمزيد من التوثيق.


    لكن الملاحدة حينما أبصروا الشبه المتواجد فى الدى إن أيه

    خرجوا عراة من العقل

    يصيحون فى صحراء البلاهة ..... وجدتها وجدتها
    و ها هم الآن يتحرجون من هذه المقولة الغبية.
    التعديل الأخير تم 11-13-2010 الساعة 01:03 AM
    {قل هو الرحمن آمنا به وعليه توكلنا، فستعلمون من هو في ضلال مبين}


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    افتراضي

    كالعادة سيقوموا بتفسير هذه النتائج في إطار تطوري, فمهما تراكمت الأدلة التي تدحض مسلمات نظرية التطور يوما بعد يوم سيقوموا بتفسيرها في إطار تطوري.
    صدق فيلسوف العلم العظيم كارل بوبر عندما قال أن نظرية التطور لا علاقة لها بالعلوم الطبيعية بل أنها من مباحث الفلسفة.

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    There are many other links from scientific articles, not just this one which is from a Creation science website ... You know, those Atheists here will say " This is just an other nonsense from Creationists " ... We have to give them the proof

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    افتراضي

    الرابط الأصلي للمقالة من مجلة Nature نفسها
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08700.html

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    اقتباس المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة niels bohr مشاهدة المشاركة
    الرابط الأصلي للمقالة من مجلة Nature نفسها
    http://www.nature.com/nature/journal...ture08700.html
    Ii was looking for it ..... Thanks brother ... Peace

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    افتراضي

    لا شكر على واجب أخي الكريم.

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    كالعادة سيقوموا بتفسير هذه النتائج في إطار تطوري
    ليس تفسيراً بالمعنى الحقيقي للكلمة، بل انهم سيضطرون لاختلاق قصص "تفسيرية" بحسب ما ذكر هنا:

    and to explain where all these differences between humans and chimps came from, believers in big-picture evolution are forced to invent stories of major chromosomal rearrangements and rapid generation of vast amounts of many new genes, along with accompanying regulatory dna

    أي لا دليل و لا هم يحزنزن، إنما ظن في ظن.
    {قل هو الرحمن آمنا به وعليه توكلنا، فستعلمون من هو في ضلال مبين}


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