Quran & Big Bang

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

Assalamu Alaikum wa rah matullahi wa barakatu
I don't understand why a number of Muslims say the Qur'an talks about big bang.
Does Qur'an really talks about big bang?
I'm not seeing any evidence though!
Anyways, Qur'anic descriptions are independent of any scientific theory & It shouldn't be made subject to ''ever-changing'' theories,
Our judgement for truth is the Quran, not science. If tomorrow scientists announce that the Big Bang was just a hoax,I will you take Quran to be true & sciencetific theory to be false?
And Alhumdulillah I'm not doubting in any way, I believe Allah has increased me in my faith , thaks to Allah. I 'm asking this question just to in order to understand that wheather Quran really talk about big bang or not
So if anyone knows please help
Thakns.

[ابن سلامة القادري]

سيفيدك هذا الفيديو إن شاء الله، و هو للدكتور زغلول النجار حفظه الله

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[BStranger]

Assalamu Alaikum wa rah matullahi wa barakatu
I don't understand why a number of Muslims say the Qur'an talks about big bang.
Does Qur'an really talks about big bang?
I'm not seeing any evidence though!
Anyways, Qur'anic descriptions are independent of any scientific theory & It shouldn't be made subject to ''ever-changing'' theories,
Our judgement for truth is the Quran, not science. If tomorrow scientists announce that the Big Bang was just a hoax,I will you take Quran to be true & sciencetific theory to be false?
And Alhumdulillah I'm not doubting in any way, I believe Allah has increased me in my faith , thaks to Allah. I 'm asking this question just to in order to understand that wheather Quran really talk about big bang or not
So if anyone knows please help
Thakns.
It is called Ijtihad. Anyway, you are right. However here is the translation of verse 21:30:

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?
So, some scholars made an ijtihad and said, maybe the joined entity refers to the singularity of the big bang. Since the verse said one entity and separated, singularity and expansion. More versed brothers in the forum will help you. Here is the verse: http://quran.com/21/30

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

It is called Ijtihad. Anyway, you are right. However here is the translation of verse 21:30:

So, some scholars made an ijtihad and said, maybe the joined entity refers to the singularity of the big bang. Since the verse said one entity and separated, singularity and expansion. More versed brothers in the forum will help you. Here is the verse: http://quran.com/21/30
Jazakallah to all for replying

Qur'an (21:30)
"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"


Does this verse talk about big bang?
Note that verse say " Heavens & Earth were a joined entity & Allah separated them".. Does the verse means first Allah created earth & heavens then explosion occurred?

It seems verse say, Heavens & earth were created before ''big bang'' was happened. ''if'' it so, it means verse doesn't go with modern science.

Whilst according to science the earth came after big bang happened; big bang happened 14 billion years before the earth came in its geographical state
So how do they say verse 21:30 is about big bang..

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[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

Here is one more interpretation of verse 21:30
http://classicalislamgroup.com/index...er/s21-v30to33
The miraculous style of the Quran is that the words used by it may have different possibilities for interpretation, therefore, here as per one of these interpretations "ratq" means "to close" & "fatq" means "to open".
Different exegesists have explained differently the sense of the words "closing" and "opening", but the meanings which the companions of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam: Peace be upon him and the majority of the exegesists have adopted are that closing of sky and earth means shutting off rainfall from the sky and vegetation from the earth, and opening means the opening of these two i.e. the rainfall and vegetation.

So it seems 21:30 is talking about some different things not about big bang

[أحمد عبدالله.]

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[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

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What do you mean?

[أحمد عبدالله.]

following the conversation

[BStranger]

Here is one more interpretation of verse 21:30
http://classicalislamgroup.com/index...er/s21-v30to33
The miraculous style of the Quran is that the words used by it may have different possibilities for interpretation, therefore, here as per one of these interpretations "ratq" means "to close" & "fatq" means "to open".
Different exegesists have explained differently the sense of the words "closing" and "opening", but the meanings which the companions of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam: Peace be upon him and the majority of the exegesists have adopted are that closing of sky and earth means shutting off rainfall from the sky and vegetation from the earth, and opening means the opening of these two i.e. the rainfall and vegetation.

So it seems 21:30 is talking about some different things not about big bang

you have a valid point; however, your last question about the big bang will be answered with someone with more knowledge in the arabic language. But yes, the most adapted meaning is rain, but remember even if a companion said it, it is still ijtihad as long as it fits the meanings of the arabic language. You are also 100% about attaching modern scientific facts to some verses in the Quran as scientific discoveries are increasing. If you are satisfied with your understanding of the Quran then it is okay. We aren't saying with 100% (or even 60%) certainty that the verse is a reference to the big bang.


يا أخوة الاخت تسأل أن الآية الكريمة:

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
هل السماء والارض كانتا مخلوقتين قبل الفتق والرتق؟ ما هو الرتق بالضبط؟

[أحمد عبدالله.]

عن دعوى ان الآية تشير إلى المطر...
كيف ذلك والله فتق السماوات جميعا وليس سماء واحدة أي تلك التي تشير إلى السحاب؟!

[BStranger]

عن دعوى ان الآية تشير إلى المطر...
كيف ذلك والله فتق السماوات جميعا وليس سماء واحدة أي تلك التي تشير إلى السحاب؟!

أي فتق السماء فانزلت مطراً وفتق الارض فانبتت

[أحمد عبدالله.]

أي فتق السماء فانزلت مطراً وفتق الارض فانبتت
قال الله : أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
وليست الآية هكذا: أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاء وَالْأَرْضَ!
ففتق السماء بالمطر انما هي سماء واحدة وليس كل السموات!
إلا اللهم ان يكون هناك دليل لغوي على ان الجمع قد يدل على المفرد ويمكن تطبيق هذه القاعدة هنا!

اضف إلى اني لاحظت في مكان ما ان العلماء لا يتحدثون عن انفجار كما نحن نفهمه... boom!


هل السماء والارض كانتا مخلوقتين قبل الفتق والرتق؟ ما هو الرتق بالضبط؟
هذه ممتازة... وانا عندي ذات التساؤل! أو قريبا منه... فهناك العرش قبل السموات والارض وليس العدم؟؟!!!

[BStranger]

قال الله : أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
وليست الآية هكذا: أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاء وَالْأَرْضَ!
ففتق السماء بالمطر انما هي سماء واحدة وليس كل السموات!
إلا اللهم ان يكون هناك دليل لغوي على ان الجمع قد يدل على المفرد ويمكن تطبيق هذه القاعدة هنا!

اضف إلى اني لاحظت في مكان ما ان العلماء لا يتحدثون عن انفجار كما نحن نفهمه... boom!


هذه ممتازة... وانا عندي ذات التساؤل! أو قريبا منه... فهناك العرش قبل السموات والارض وليس العدم؟؟!!!

وجهة نظر، وسؤال آخر الآية قالت وفتقناهما ولم تقل فتقناه (في الاشارة الى الرتق)، هل معنى ذلك ان السماء والارض كانتا موجودتان قبل الرتق؟

[أحمد عبدالله.]

لعل البيضة الكونية مثلا هي الرتق...
يعني سماوات+ أرض = كل الكون= جرم اسمه رتق!
هكذا يقول من يفسر الآية بالانفجار العظيم!
ولا تنسى الاكيد ان السماء لم تكن على حالها الآن... وهذا بنص القرآن (وهي دخان)...
فلا يمنع من باب أولى ان لا تكون على حالها أثناء "طور" الرتق...
وكذا الارض...

[ابن سلامة القادري]

I dont talk english but i hope this is interesting for my brothers and sisters :

http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Project-Appendix-Scientific-Miracles-of-The-Quran-225-d

http://www.quranproject.org/

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

, your last question about the big bang will be answered with someone with more knowledge in the Arabic language.


Really? I want answer as soon as possible
Can some please help



If you are satisfied with your understanding of the Quran then it is okay


To some extent I'm satisfied with that interpretation of verse 21:30
that i have found here: http://classicalislamgroup.com/index...er/s21-v30to33
But still I don't understand why a number of Muslims say that Qur'an makes mention of big bang? I don't know what are there bases; maybe they interpret 21:30 in a different way, I'm very curious to know



We aren't saying with 100% (or even 60%) certainty that the verse is a reference to the big bang.


So 40% you say Quran talks about big bang
??
How can you say so with this interpretation
??
Look, according to science, first whole "universe" was compact together. At that time, the entire universe was hotter and denser, then it exploded, Universe expanded and cooled, energy changed into particles of matter and antimatter, particles called protons and neutrons formed, gases hydrogen & helium formed, it kept growing, eventually came the planets including the earth, the stars, galaxies & us. Right?

So if you see the ''earth'' was not there at the time of explosion.

Verse 21:30: "The heavens & the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them".

How can one call something which doesn't exist
??

I really don't get how the verse 21:30 talks about big bang

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

I dont talk english but i hope this is interesting for my brothers and sisters :

http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Project-Appendix-Scientific-Miracles-of-The-Quran-225-d

http://www.quranproject.org/

Jazakallahu khair, I'll read that might help thanks.

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

I dont talk english but i hope this is interesting for my brothers and sisters :

http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Project-Appendix-Scientific-Miracles-of-The-Quran-225-d

http://www.quranproject.org/

I have found the answer
I have found one interpretation according to which Quran makes mention big bang.

Here:
http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Pr...he-Quran-225-d
Verse: Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a [ratq] joined entity, and We [fataqa] separated them.Then will they not believe?Qurān 21:30



The word ratq translated as sewn to means mixed in each, blended in Arabic. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole.
The phrase fataqa is unstitched and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of things that are sewn to one another.

In the verse, heaven and earth are at first subject to the status of ratq.They are separated (fataqa) with one coming out of the other. Intriguingly, when we think about the first moments of the Big Bang we see that the entire matter of the universe collected at one single point. In other words, everything including the heavens and earth which were not created yet were in an interwoven and inseparable condition. Then, this point exploded violently, causing its matter to disunite.

The Big Bang theory holds that about 20,000,000,000 years ago the universe began with the explosive expansion of a single, extremely condensed state of matter. The Nobel Prize for science in 1977 was awarded for this discovery, whereas it was stated by the Qurān centuries before.

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Jazakallahu khair

[BStranger]

I have found the answer
I have found one interpretation according to which Quran makes mention big bang.

Here:
http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Pr...he-Quran-225-d
Verse: Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a [ratq] joined entity, and We [fataqa] separated them.Then will they not believe?Qurān 21:30



The word ratq translated as sewn to means mixed in each, blended in Arabic. It is used to refer to two different substances that make up a whole.
The phrase fataqa is unstitched and implies that something comes into being by tearing apart or destroying the structure of things that are sewn to one another.

In the verse, heaven and earth are at first subject to the status of ratq.They are separated (fataqa) with one coming out of the other. Intriguingly, when we think about the first moments of the Big Bang we see that the entire matter of the universe collected at one single point. In other words, everything including the heavens and earth which were not created yet were in an interwoven and inseparable condition. Then, this point exploded violently, causing its matter to disunite.

The Big Bang theory holds that about 20,000,000,000 years ago the universe began with the explosive expansion of a single, extremely condensed state of matter. The Nobel Prize for science in 1977 was awarded for this discovery, whereas it was stated by the Qurān centuries before.

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Jazakallahu khair

Great! I couldn't translate that into English, thank you!

[Maro]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Is this conversation over? or do you still need some help?

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
Is this conversation over? or do you still need some help?

No. I don't need any help. The question has already been answered. Thank you
Jazkallahu khair

[محمود عبدالله نجا]

The next article will show you the weakness of the Big Bang theory and how it is far from the linguistic understanding of the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Also this article will show you the meaning of Ratq and earlier before it, and Fatq is linguistically does not mean an explosion. Excuse me because the article in Arabic and I do not find the time to translate it, you probably know Arabic or find help on it.

الوسطية في نقد الإنفجار الكبير بلغة القرآن و العلم الحديث
http://e3jaz.way2allah.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=163

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

The next article will show you the weakness of the Big Bang theory and how it is far from the linguistic understanding of the Qur'an and Sunnah.
Also this article will show you the meaning of Ratq and earlier before it, and Fatq is linguistically does not mean an explosion. Excuse me because the article in Arabic and I do not find the time to translate it, you probably know Arabic or find help on it.

الوسطية في نقد الإنفجار الكبير بلغة القرآن و العلم الحديث
http://e3jaz.way2allah.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=163

No. I cannot speak Arabic

[BStranger]

No. I cannot speak Arabic

Try your best to learn, which I already see happening. If you need any help, we are your brothers.

[Maria al-Qibtiyya]

Try your best to learn, which I already see happening. If you need any help, we are your brothers.

Thank you so much
I like it very much to learn Arabic but couldn't find enough time because of worldly studies

[BStranger]

Thank you so much
I like it very much to learn Arabic but couldn't find enough time because of worldly studies
What field?