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Dear Charlie,
Please visit this link: http://www.jaafaridris.com/English/Books.htm
and read some of the articles there
I recommend this:

The Contemporary Physicists and God's Existence
The Attributes of God, an Islamic point of view

The author has a complete book about physics and the existence of God, However it is in Arabic
The first article is just a very rough summary of the book

After reading the articles , you would have an idea of how we think
At least you would understand our point of view and why do we believe in a Creator in the 21th century

Ok..... You tell me... How did it all start? What do you think? Someone said let is start? I don't think so... :-)

I checked the site a little. But I am more interested to know what is the text at the picture of Rome. Could you translate to me? Also the text at the flags, please....
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Dear Charlie
Yes I guess most people here understand Evolution and its mechanisms

Mutation and Natural Selection

But I am still not an expert, it is not my field of research. So thats why I said that I prefer that some of the brothers here who are specialized in biology would discuss it with you
Because If I discussed it with you I may not be very precise in the terminology

Lets separate between that it is easy and that it actually happened

Well since you agreed with us about the methodology I mentioned, then we can move and discuss something much more basic than evolution and how life started on earth
Lets start by discussing how this all began.
I hope that people with the knowledge here would join us

the noble quran

Evolution is very logical and not difficult to understand. You don't need to be an expert . Just listen to your biology teacher. To make it easier to understand, i will use some facts that are not controversial at all.: 1 Our bodies (and all living creatures) are built up by cells. 2 The cells contain DNA molecules that build up our genes. 3 Genes are unique for every living creature (exception are twins that grew from the same egg of the female) 4. The genes we get depend on what genes our parents had, but we will never get exactly the same genes as out parent. 5 Different gens means we are not same and we can impossibly be equally adapted to life. Some our better at running, some better at thinking, some better at something else.
These differences is what evolution work with. It is maybe not important if we have curly or straight hair, but in a world where an animal needs to hunt to get food and flee to not be eaten, it is very important to be smart, or if not smart than be able to run very fast. This is what evolution works with. Natural selection is not something that a god is choosing. Simply, the best ones survive and spread their genes to the next generation. It is very logical and it is not difficult to understand at all. Best regards: Charlie :-)

I advise you this link
http://www.alheweny.org/english/

I see no problem in this way of discussing things. The first statement could even be depicted in a way an ancient Greek philosopher said: "I think.... that means I exist"
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Dear Charlie
I will leave the discussion about Evolution to brothers who are more specialized in the area and there are a few here. I also hope that they would find your message and reply

I just want to introduce the islamic point of view of information
First there is the absolute truth or the fact
For example. I exist ; this is a fact if I deny it then there is no need to proceed further.
Then we have what is probably true.
For example this is the case of most scientific theories
The first principle is
TWO FACTS cannot contradict
The second principle is that WHAT IS most probable if it APPARENTLY contradicts a fact we have to accept the fact and interpret what is most probably true in its light.
If we can then this is fine
If we can't we will just say that the probably true statement is not correct

If the probably true statement is all what we have we will accept it until either it is proven to be a fact or reject it if it was proven to be incorrect
We don't reject what is APPARENTLY true unless it contradicts a A FACT

The Third principle is when we have two probably true statements
Well here we have to think more and may be it would be hard to say which one to accept.

I believe this is very important before going into real discussions

Do you accept this methodology

[QUOTE=Charlie1965;181543]Hi again guys,
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Hey Charlie, the Arabic messages you see here are only the traslation of what is written in English it is not a new messages
i just translate what is written here to be understood by those who do not understand English
Enjoy staying here

Darc, I almost forgot your message. Well, you do admit that you follow your parents. So do maybe 99% of the Christians and so do maybe 99% of the Buddhist, or any other religion. If you were born as a Buddhist you would almost for sure be a Buddhist and you would believe you are right. If you were open minded, and open for knowledge, than you would study Buddism too and the Bible and also Biological explanation, that means Evolution. That would give you a real chance to make a good decision. Well, you can always ask me beck, if I did the same thing? Well, I did not read Quran and did not read Bible either, although my mother sent me to a religious Christian "Sunday school" to learn about God when I was a kid. I am though reading about religions, even by Islam. But today I am adult enough to understand some things and there is no place for any religious believes in my world. If you really want to know the truth, than you will see I am right. Life did not appear just by sayng "Let there be life". You will see I am right, but ok... give it some time. Best regards from Charlie :-).

Forgot to answer to the question if believe in a soul. Well, if a soul is or mind that will live on after we die, than no. I don't believe in it.

Hi Ashbely,
Thanks for your comments. Well let me reply back.
You say nothing is 100% for sure? If I ask you how sure are you that the earth is a globe? Maybe you can not be 100% sure, but something like... let's say 99,999999% Maybe everyone is lying to you, while the world is in fact flat. Not very likely, but not completely impossible. To not use decimals you would say 100% sure. In the case of God I am more sure than that, but I choose to say 100%. Why so sure? Because the .
whole story is completely unbelievable, but we will have chance to talk more about it later.
#We will not be alive at the 31st century to see if there are still religions at that time. I doubt actually. I think humans have either destroyed themselves, or they have learned a lot more about life. I don't think there would be place for religion more than as something interesting that people used in the past to explain the world, since their knowledge was so low.

Best regards from Charlie :-)

Hi again guys,
Thanks for your comments. I am just sorry I can not read some of the messages, because they are in Arab language.
However, let me reply at the questions I could understand.
For the first it is true that science can not give answer on every question about life and the universe itself. But religion can definitively not do it.
I will have a chance to develop this more later but I try to concentrate now at the questions I got already. About evolution. Evolution does not work with complete random. Random changes that appear at the existing species work in all directions and not all the changes are good for the species. Actually almost all mutations are not good. Those will not survive. To make a simple example let us talk about a bird that will have a very big mutation (in reality mutations are almost always a lot smaller) Let us say a bird has a genetic error and it get a third wing! This is a huge mistake. If this bird would get chicks, it is very likely that some of them will get a third wing too, because the error is in the genes. But how likely is that this bird will get chicks? For the first, it would have problems flying and would most likely very soon be taken by a hawk or some other animal, before it gets adult. If it despite all would survive and become adult, how would the chances be to get the chicks? Probably it would be almost impossible, cause such bird would not be attractive to the other sex. Usually such bird would be mobbed out and never get a partner. It's modified genes would never get to the next generation. It's third wing would definitively not benefit this poor bird.#
Now lets look and another, more positive example. Another bird is being born with some modified gene that makes its wings slightly longer. Nothing very dramatic, but still a bit longer. Let us say this bird is an eagle, that is migrating by winter. It is using the thermal winds (winds that are blowing upwards when the ground is being heated by sun and which many big birds use when migrating). What would this mean to this bird? It would be able to soar a little bit higher and migrate a little bit faster because of this. It would reach the wintering area a bit faster than the other birds. It would spend shorter time and the dangerous migration. In the spring time when moving back to the breeding area, it would probably return back some day before the other birds of the same species. This would give it a chance to get a better nesting area with more food. Lets, say our eagle is a male. With a good area he would easily get a female. It's longer wings would not bother the female. The eagle still looks very normal. He would probably have a successful nesting and it's genes would be copied to the next generation., which will very likely have longer wings too, if they get their fathers genes, that shows to be good. After some generations, more and more birds will have longer wing. The species is changing a little. But why are eagles that are migrating not getting longer and longer wings than, if it is for their benefit? Well, the reality is more complicated than our little example. Long wings are maybe good for a long migration, but maybe not so good when hunting. Specially if a bird is hunting in the forest. So, in real world it is not sure that our eagle male would be so successful. He would maybe get a better area for nesting because he was there before the others, but he would maybe not be so good hunter and therefore not so successful in raising his chicks.
However, those two examples show how evolution works. This is not a silly thing. Evolution is real and it goes on all the time, even today. It is not even very hard to understand. It takes time, but it had time for billions of years and that is why it came so far.
The "engine" for the evolution is natural selection. There IS randomness in evolution, but only the mutations that are good for survive will survive in the long run. Sorry I wrote a long mail, but I tried my best to give a straight answer to the questions about evolution being "silly".
Best regard from Charlie :-)#

hello charlie

u said

I am 100% sure he does not exist

this is wrong??why
because you there is nothing we are sure that 100%
even the evolution theory we aren't sure thats true

u said

Why I am here is to find out how it is possible that people still believe in gods in 21st century

yes you are right , maybe in 31st century , we will say how it is possible that people still believe in love or mercy ............etc

u said

Hello again. Someone whos name I can not read (because it is in Arabic) aked me why did I choose to be Atheist

this is me . my name is ashbely from yemen

u said

it is not a choice I made

u mean the atheist is a truth !!!

let me talk like u : i will say the religion is not a choice it is a truth way

ok

do u believe in soul ??????


with my best regards from ur friend ashbely