ملحد ارسل لي رابط به شبهة رجاء المساعدة

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  • يارب ارحمنى
    عضو
    • Apr 2012
    • 8

    #1

    ملحد ارسل لي رابط به شبهة رجاء المساعدة


    السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته

    كنت اتحاور مع ملحد عبر الرسائل الخاصة على الفيس بوك وكان الحوار عن ذي القرنين فأرسل لي رابط به شبهة وقال رد على ما في هذا الرابط فحيقيتاً لم استطع الجواب فهرولة اليكم اخواني لكي تساعدوني وجزاكم الله الفردوس الأعلى

    الرابط :
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    رجاء للأدامن والمشرفين :

    إن كان وضعي للرابط غير قانوني فرجاء نسخ ما فيه قبل حذف الرابط أو الإحتفاظ به لديكم وكتابة الرد

    وجزاكم الله خيراً ونفعنا بكم
    Last edited by مشرف 11; 05-24-2012, 11:45 AM.
  • بحب دينى
    عضو نشيط
    • Aug 2011
    • 1970

    #2
    الرد يسير أخى ...فذى القرنين هو الذى رآى الشمس تغرب فى عين حمئه ...وربنا جل وعلا اخبرنا عن ما رآه ذى القرنين ....فلا حجة له ...فلا معنى لان اخبرك عن شخص رآى شىء لاتصدقه انت ...فتقول لى انت غير دقيق !!..فانا ناقل لك ما رآى شخص !!..ولله المثل الاعلى ...
    فسيقول لك الملحد ...لا ...كيف تغرب الشمس فى عين صغيره من الماء ...فقل له هل عندما تنظر الى البحر والشمس تغرب فيه فهل هذا يعد غير منطقى!؟ ..وقل له ما هو البحر الصغير بجوار الشمس !!..فالشمس كبيره ولاتقارن بالبحر !!...
    فهل الشمس ها هنا تقارن بالجبل !!.فكيف تراها يا اخى !!..


    وهذه مثال للعين الحمئه التى يعبرها بعض الجنود ...

    هذه الصور منقوله من احد ردود الاخ اسلمت لله
    وهل عندما اخبرك ان التلفاز يقول ان الشمس تطلع على الارض وتغرب فى مواعيد معينه ...فهل هذا يعد غير منطقياً !!!..
    ثانياً لاتجادل الملاحده اخى قبل العلم الشرعى ...ودعك من هذا الانسان الذى تناقشه ..فبدون سلاح كيف ستقاتله !!..فمنهم لو قلت له الجواب يقول لك لا اقتنع حتى يشكك اكثر فى دينك ...فالكثير منهم مجادل فلا مناقشه الا مع طالب الحق ...

    واحذف الرابط بارك الله فيك ...
    الإنسان - نسأل الله العافية والسلامة والثبات - إذا لم يكن له عقيدة ضاع، اللهم إلا أن يكون قلبه ميتا، لان الذي قلبه ميت يكون حيوانيا لا يهتم بشيء أبداً، لكن الإنسان الذي عنده شيء من الحياة في القلب إذا لم يكن له عقيدة فإنه يضيع ويهلك، ويكون في قلق دائم لا نهاية له، فتكون روحه في وحشة من جسمه
    شرح العقيدة السفارينية لشيخنا ابن عثيمين رحمه الله .

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    • أدناكم عِلما
      عضو
      • Oct 2009
      • 1919

      #3
      اظن والله اعلم ان الجواب يكمن في قواعد اللغة العربيّة فقال الله عز وجل ( في عين حمئة ) ولم يقل ( على عين حمئة ) او ( كانت تغرب ) فالاولى تعود للرّائي الذي يراها وكأنّها كذلك والدليل هو كلمة وجدها ( حَتَّى إِذَا بَلَغَ مَغْرِبَ الشَّمْسِ وَجَدَهَا تَغْرُبُ فِي عَيْنٍ حَمِئَةٍ ) وجدها من رآها كذلك وهو ذي القرنين فالله عز وجل يُبيِّن ويصف المشهد كما رآه واعتقده ذو القرنين وهنا لفتة ولمسة اظن انها تُزيل الاشكال إذ ان الحدث كلّه يصف الامر كما يراه المُشاهد او الرّآئي وليس وصف الامر او الحال على حقيقته اليقينيّة
      والله اعلم

      طالب الحق يكفيه دليل وصاحب الهوى لا يكفيه الف دليل الجاهل يتعلّم وصاحب الهوى ليس لدينا عليه سبيل
      نور القلوب وطِب القلوب مُحَمَّد
      ( اللهم متعنا بحبك ومتعنا بذكرك ومتعنا بعبادتك ومتعنا بطاعتك ومتعنا بالتذلل لك )
      معضلة داروين (لغز الأحافير الكامبرية) نظرية داروين بين العلم والخيال :
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bD8rNGvxS-Q

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      • Almumen
        عضو
        • Feb 2012
        • 468

        #4
        المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة يارب ارحمنى مشاهدة المشاركة

        السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
        السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
        هل أنت هو نفس العضو المسيحي "يارب ارحمنى" الذي ننتظر رده في الصفحة المخصصة له في منتدى أتباع المرسلين ?
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        أطلب من ممن له الصلاحيات في ذالك مقارنة الأيبي.
        و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
        رحماك يا الله

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        • سلفي مناضل
          عضو
          • Nov 2011
          • 149

          #5
          جواب شبهة حول قوله تعالى (فوجدها تغرب في عين حمئة)
          "وَمَنْ أَظْلَمُ مِمَّنْ ذُكِّرَ بِآَيَاتِ رَبِّهِ فَأَعْرَضَ عَنْهَا وَنَسِيَ مَا قَدَّمَتْ يَدَاهُ إِنَّا جَعَلْنَا عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ أَكِنَّةً أَنْ يَفْقَهُوهُ وَفِي آَذَانِهِمْ وَقْرًا وَإِنْ تَدْعُهُمْ إِلَى الْهُدَى فَلَنْ يَهْتَدُوا إِذًا أَبَدًا" الكهف-57

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          • يارب ارحمنى
            عضو
            • Apr 2012
            • 8

            #6
            المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Bibers مشاهدة المشاركة
            السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
            هل أنت هو نفس العضو المسيحي "يارب ارحمنى" الذي ننتظر رده في الصفحة المخصصة له في منتدى أتباع المرسلين ?
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            أطلب من ممن له الصلاحيات في ذالك مقارنة الأيبي.
            و السلام عليكم ورحمة الله وبركاته
            أخي الكريم أقسم لك بالله أنني مسلم سني أعبد الله وحده
            ولست ممن يعبد الأب والإبن والروح القدس

            فهي تشابه أسماء لا تشابه معتقد


            أما الإخوة الذين أجابوا على شبهة (( وجدها في عين حمئة )) فجزاكم الله خيراً ولكن هذه ليست الشبهة المطلوب الرد عليها

            ولكن هقتبس جزء من الرابط اريد الجواب عليه :
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            إطرح الشبهة أو السؤال بإختصار بدل نقل مقال مليئ بالسباب
            متابعة إشرافية
            وأسف جداً على سوء أدب الكتاب حفيد القرود

            وأسف على التأخير فأعذروني لظروف عملي





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            • elmorsy
              عضو
              • Dec 2010
              • 661

              #7
              اشعر أن كثير من الملحدين ..لايجد ما يفعله سوى البحث عن الشبهات (العبيطه)
              وينقل من منتديات المسيحيين ..ومن ضلال إلى ضلال
              الله يهدى
              وَمَا قَدَرُوا اللَّهَ حَقَّ قَدْرِهِ إِذْ قَالُوا مَا أَنزَلَ اللَّهُ عَلَى بَشَرٍ مِنْ شَيْءٍ قُلْ مَنْ أَنزَلَ الْكِتَابَ الَّذِي جَاءَ بِهِ مُوسَى نُورًا وَهُدًى لِلنَّاسِ تَجْعَلُونَهُ قَرَاطِيسَ تُبْدُونَهَا وَتُخْفُونَ كَثِيرًا وَعُلِّمْتُمْ مَا لَمْ تَعْلَمُوا أَنْتُمْ وَلا آبَاؤُكُمْ قُلِ اللَّهُ ثُمَّ ذَرْهُمْ فِي خَوْضِهِمْ يَلْعَبُونَ {الأنعام}

              ("إن انتشار الكفر في العالم يحمل نصف أوزاره متدينون بغضوا الله إلى خلقه بسوء صنيعهم وسوء كلامهم"))

              ((محمد الغزالي))

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              • حمادة
                طالب علم
                • Jun 2008
                • 1733

                #8
                شعر أن كثير من الملحدين ..لايجد ما يفعله سوى البحث عن الشبهات (العبيطه)
                وينقل من منتديات المسيحيين ..ومن ضلال إلى ضلال
                الله يهدى
                يقول الاستاذ ابو مريم :
                بصراحة إفلاس تام ولو قيل للإفلاس تكلم لقال:
                أنا الملحد فى أحشائه الجهل كامن فهل ساءلوا التخلف العقلى عن صدفاتى.
                أعزائى الملاحدة أتباع النصارى وشعوبيى الفرس إبان الحكم العباسى :
                أما سئمتم من تكرار هذا الكلام ؟!
                هل تريدون من كل مسلم أن ينقش على ملابسه ردا على تلك الشبه؟!
                أما يكفى أن نرد عليها فى كل منتدى وفى كل غرفة عشر مرات ؟!
                هل تريدون مثلا أن نجعل من الرد على تلك التوافه والجهالات وردا مع أذكار الصباح والمساء ؟!
                تفضل رد الاستاذ عبد الواحد
                المغرب هو آخر مكان وصل اليه العرب جهة الغرب.
                وسمي بلاد المغرب مغرباً رغم انهم لم يجدوا الشمس تسبح في بركة في طنجة أو تطوان.

                ولم يرد في كلام العرب كلمة "مغرب الشمس" بمعنى مكان نومها.
                ولكن الملحد لا يريد التفريق بين النزول والغروب.

                غرب غاب توارى عن الانظار. المغرب مكان غيابها عن انظارنا وليس مكان نزول
                بالله عليكم هل هذا صعب فهمه؟
                الله هو الواجب فلا موجود احق منه تعالى ان يكون موجودا فهو احق بالوجود من مثبتيه ونفاته ومن كل ما يتثبه المثبتون.وليس في الدنيا احمق واضل من نفاته او الشاكين في وجوده اذ يمكن كل شيء الا يكون موجودا او يشك في وجوده لانه ممكن يقبل الوجود والعدم ليس وجوده اذا اكان موجودا ,ضروريا ولا عدمه اذا كان معدوما ,,ولا يمكن الا يكون الله موجودا ,ولو فرض عدمه كان هذا فرض عدم من يجب وجوده ,وهو تناقض محال.(الشيخ مصطفى صبري).يقول حجة الإسلام الغزالي ( إن رد المذهب قبل فهمه و الاطلاع على كنهه هو رمي في عماية )

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