Quran & Big Bang

**ابن سلامة القادري** · 04-23-2013, 04:00 AM

سيفيدك هذا الفيديو إن شاء الله، و هو للدكتور زغلول النجار حفظه الله

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72E7IM1kOqI

**BStranger** · 04-23-2013, 05:05 AM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maria al-Qibtiyya مشاهدة المشاركة

Assalamu Alaikum wa rah matullahi wa barakatu
I don't understand why a number of Muslims say the Qur'an talks about big bang.
Does Qur'an really talks about big bang?
I'm not seeing any evidence though!
Anyways, Qur'anic descriptions are independent of any scientific theory & It shouldn't be made subject to ''ever-changing'' theories,
Our judgement for truth is the Quran, not science. If tomorrow scientists announce that the Big Bang was just a hoax,I will you take Quran to be true & sciencetific theory to be false?
And Alhumdulillah I'm not doubting in any way, I believe Allah has increased me in my faith , thaks to Allah. I 'm asking this question just to in order to understand that wheather Quran really talk about big bang or not
So if anyone knows please help
Thakns.

It is called Ijtihad. Anyway, you are right. However here is the translation of verse 21:30:

Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?

So, some scholars made an ijtihad and said, maybe the joined entity refers to the singularity of the big bang. Since the verse said one entity and separated, singularity and expansion. More versed brothers in the forum will help you. Here is the verse: http://quran.com/21/30

**Maria al-Qibtiyya** · 04-23-2013, 05:39 AM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة BStranger مشاهدة المشاركة

It is called Ijtihad. Anyway, you are right. However here is the translation of verse 21:30:

So, some scholars made an ijtihad and said, maybe the joined entity refers to the singularity of the big bang. Since the verse said one entity and separated, singularity and expansion. More versed brothers in the forum will help you. Here is the verse: http://quran.com/21/30

Jazakallah to all for replying

Qur'an (21:30)
"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"

Does this verse talk about big bang?
Note that verse say " Heavens & Earth were a joined entity & Allah separated them".. Does the verse means first Allah created earth & heavens then explosion occurred?

It seems verse say, Heavens & earth were created before ''big bang'' was happened. ''if'' it so, it means verse doesn't go with modern science.

Whilst according to science the earth came after big bang happened; big bang happened 14 billion years before the earth came in its geographical state
So how do they say verse 21:30 is about big bang..

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**Maria al-Qibtiyya** · 04-23-2013, 05:47 AM

Here is one more interpretation of verse 21:30

http://classicalislamgroup.com/index...er/s21-v30to33

The miraculous style of the Quran is that the words used by it may have different possibilities for interpretation, therefore, here as per one of these interpretations "ratq" means "to close" & "fatq" means "to open".
Different exegesists have explained differently the sense of the words "closing" and "opening", but the meanings which the companions of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam: Peace be upon him and the majority of the exegesists have adopted are that closing of sky and earth means shutting off rainfall from the sky and vegetation from the earth, and opening means the opening of these two i.e. the rainfall and vegetation.

So it seems 21:30 is talking about some different things not about big bang

**أحمد عبدالله.** · 04-23-2013, 03:56 PM

متابع

**Maria al-Qibtiyya** · 04-23-2013, 05:08 PM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة طالب علم. مشاهدة المشاركة

متابع

What do you mean?

**أحمد عبدالله.** · 04-23-2013, 09:35 PM

following the conversation

**BStranger** · 04-23-2013, 10:12 PM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maria al-Qibtiyya مشاهدة المشاركة

Here is one more interpretation of verse 21:30

http://classicalislamgroup.com/index...er/s21-v30to33

The miraculous style of the Quran is that the words used by it may have different possibilities for interpretation, therefore, here as per one of these interpretations "ratq" means "to close" & "fatq" means "to open".
Different exegesists have explained differently the sense of the words "closing" and "opening", but the meanings which the companions of the Holy Prophet Sallallahu 'Alayhi Wasallam: Peace be upon him and the majority of the exegesists have adopted are that closing of sky and earth means shutting off rainfall from the sky and vegetation from the earth, and opening means the opening of these two i.e. the rainfall and vegetation.

So it seems 21:30 is talking about some different things not about big bang

you have a valid point; however, your last question about the big bang will be answered with someone with more knowledge in the arabic language. But yes, the most adapted meaning is rain, but remember even if a companion said it, it is still ijtihad as long as it fits the meanings of the arabic language. You are also 100% about attaching modern scientific facts to some verses in the Quran as scientific discoveries are increasing. If you are satisfied with your understanding of the Quran then it is okay. We aren't saying with 100% (or even 60%) certainty that the verse is a reference to the big bang.

يا أخوة الاخت تسأل أن الآية الكريمة:

أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ

هل السماء والارض كانتا مخلوقتين قبل الفتق والرتق؟ ما هو الرتق بالضبط؟

**أحمد عبدالله.** · 04-23-2013, 10:39 PM

عن دعوى ان الآية تشير إلى المطر...
كيف ذلك والله فتق السماوات جميعا وليس سماء واحدة أي تلك التي تشير إلى السحاب؟!

**BStranger** · 04-23-2013, 10:46 PM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة طالب علم. مشاهدة المشاركة

عن دعوى ان الآية تشير إلى المطر...
كيف ذلك والله فتق السماوات جميعا وليس سماء واحدة أي تلك التي تشير إلى السحاب؟!

أي فتق السماء فانزلت مطراً وفتق الارض فانبتت

**أحمد عبدالله.** · 04-23-2013, 10:58 PM

أي فتق السماء فانزلت مطراً وفتق الارض فانبتت

قال الله : أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
وليست الآية هكذا: أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاء وَالْأَرْضَ!
ففتق السماء بالمطر انما هي سماء واحدة وليس كل السموات!
إلا اللهم ان يكون هناك دليل لغوي على ان الجمع قد يدل على المفرد ويمكن تطبيق هذه القاعدة هنا!

اضف إلى اني لاحظت في مكان ما ان العلماء لا يتحدثون عن انفجار كما نحن نفهمه... boom!

هل السماء والارض كانتا مخلوقتين قبل الفتق والرتق؟ ما هو الرتق بالضبط؟

هذه ممتازة... وانا عندي ذات التساؤل! أو قريبا منه... فهناك العرش قبل السموات والارض وليس العدم؟؟!!!

**BStranger** · 04-23-2013, 11:42 PM

المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة طالب علم. مشاهدة المشاركة

قال الله : أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضَ كَانَتَا رَتْقًا فَفَتَقْنَاهُمَا ۖ وَجَعَلْنَا مِنَ الْمَاءِ كُلَّ شَيْءٍ حَيٍّ ۖ أَفَلَا يُؤْمِنُونَ
وليست الآية هكذا: أَوَلَمْ يَرَ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا أَنَّ السَّمَاء وَالْأَرْضَ!
ففتق السماء بالمطر انما هي سماء واحدة وليس كل السموات!
إلا اللهم ان يكون هناك دليل لغوي على ان الجمع قد يدل على المفرد ويمكن تطبيق هذه القاعدة هنا!

اضف إلى اني لاحظت في مكان ما ان العلماء لا يتحدثون عن انفجار كما نحن نفهمه... boom!

هذه ممتازة... وانا عندي ذات التساؤل! أو قريبا منه... فهناك العرش قبل السموات والارض وليس العدم؟؟!!!

وجهة نظر، وسؤال آخر الآية قالت وفتقناهما ولم تقل فتقناه (في الاشارة الى الرتق)، هل معنى ذلك ان السماء والارض كانتا موجودتان قبل الرتق؟

**أحمد عبدالله.** · 04-23-2013, 11:54 PM

لعل البيضة الكونية مثلا هي الرتق...
يعني سماوات+ أرض = كل الكون= جرم اسمه رتق!
هكذا يقول من يفسر الآية بالانفجار العظيم!
ولا تنسى الاكيد ان السماء لم تكن على حالها الآن... وهذا بنص القرآن (وهي دخان)...
فلا يمنع من باب أولى ان لا تكون على حالها أثناء "طور" الرتق...
وكذا الارض...

**ابن سلامة القادري** · 04-24-2013, 04:23 PM

I dont talk english but i hope this is interesting for my brothers and sisters :

The Qur'an Project

http://www.quranproject.org/Quran-Project-Appendix-Scientific-Miracles-of-The-Quran-225-d

Read, Think & Discover

The Qur'an Project

http://www.quranproject.org/

Read, Think & Discover

Quran & Big Bang

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