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  • Maria al-Qibtiyya
    عضو
    • Oct 2012
    • 67

    #16
    المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة نور الدين الدمشقي مشاهدة المشاركة
    Thank you for responding to my query
    Jazakallhu khair

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    • Maro
      طالب متدرب
      • Mar 2011
      • 2815

      #17
      المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة نور الدين الدمشقي مشاهدة المشاركة
      Firstly, the first part of the hadeeth is authentic - this is only up to the fact that the ummah will devide. The addition of all of them being in hell except one comes in other different narrations that are mostly weak (there are opinions that say collaboratively they become acceptably authentic), but a very important thing to remember is we never get to say who goes to hell or heaven for that matter as this is all up to Allah SWT who judges our intentions.
      Based on this, we can't affirm that someone who did some bidaa (as bad as it is) will surely go to hell. As a matter of fact there are believers that will go to hell for some period of time before they're taken to Jannah.So it is correct that Allah SWT can forgive Bidaa if he wills - especially if that person who commits it ends up repenting.
      أخى الحبيب... من أين جئت بمعلومية ضعف هذا الجزء من الحديث؟
      فقد بحثت فى كل مكان ولم أجد شيئاً عن ذلك...
      وإذا كنا نحن بنو آدم لا نستطيع القول بأن فلاناً فى الجنة وفلان فى النار: فبالتأكيد هذا لا يسرى على النبى
      لأنه لا ينطق عن الهوى... وقد ورد فى الأثر كثيراً أنه قال عن فلان أنه فى النار، وفلان أنه فى الجنة
      فليس هذا سبباً للتضعيف على ما أحسب

      أرجو التوثيق إن كان لدى حضرتك وقتاً
      وتقبّل أرقّ تحياتى ومحبتى الخالصة فى الله
      مَنْ بَايَعَ إِمَامًا فَأَعْطَاهُ صَفْقَةَ يَدِهِ وَثَمَرَةَ قَلْبِهِ فَلْيُطِعْهُ مَا اسْتَطَاعَ
      فَإِنْ جَاءَ آخَرُ يُنَازِعُهُ فَاضْرِبُوا عُنُقَ الآخَرِ !

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      • Maro
        طالب متدرب
        • Mar 2011
        • 2815

        #18
        بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
        al Salam Alaikum,
        I'm really sorry for taking so long, I was doing some hard works in my garden that day & I got a sun hit
        that's why I couldn't respond to anything last few days
        hope you understand my excuse
        And I still didn't fully recover yet... so please everybody, pray for me




        There are sects other than Ahlus sunnah, they too claim to follow Quran & suunah e.g salafi, ahlul hadith & zahiri . How would I know who is wrong & who is right? Every one bring proofs to his statements from Hadith? How would I recognize them?
        Salafi, Ahl El-hadeeth & Ahl El-sunnah are three different titles for the same group of Muslims... which
        we follow inshaa Allah
        And the meaning of each title is explained in brother "Nur"'s answer
        For the rest of your questions, I believe brother "Nur" answered them well enough
        So, please let us know if there's anymore



        Thank you. I don't have enough knowledge so I have to ask number of question. Maybe some times I'm asking foolish questions but their answers help.
        Please do not stop asking about everything you'd like to know
        And i'm sorry if I made you feel unwelcome or uncomfortable
        I didn't mean it
        مَنْ بَايَعَ إِمَامًا فَأَعْطَاهُ صَفْقَةَ يَدِهِ وَثَمَرَةَ قَلْبِهِ فَلْيُطِعْهُ مَا اسْتَطَاعَ
        فَإِنْ جَاءَ آخَرُ يُنَازِعُهُ فَاضْرِبُوا عُنُقَ الآخَرِ !

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        • نور الدين الدمشقي
          طالب علم
          • Jul 2010
          • 2207

          #19
          أخى الحبيب... من أين جئت بمعلومية ضعف هذا الجزء من الحديث؟
          فقد بحثت فى كل مكان ولم أجد شيئاً عن ذلك...
          وإذا كنا نحن بنو آدم لا نستطيع القول بأن فلاناً فى الجنة وفلان فى النار: فبالتأكيد هذا لا يسرى على النبى
          لأنه لا ينطق عن الهوى... وقد ورد فى الأثر كثيراً أنه قال عن فلان أنه فى النار، وفلان أنه فى الجنة
          فليس هذا سبباً للتضعيف على ما أحسب

          أرجو التوثيق إن كان لدى حضرتك وقتاً
          وتقبّل أرقّ تحياتى ومحبتى الخالصة فى الله
          اخي الحبيب مارو - احبك الذي احببتني فيه.
          الجزء الاخير من الحديث جاء في عدة روايات مختلفة وفي تصحيحها خلاف كما بينت بين القوسين.
          تفضل هنا:

          وهنا
          "العبد يسير إلى اللـه بين مطالعة المنة ومشاهدة التقصير!" ابن القيم
          "عندما يمشي المرؤ على خطى الأنبياء في العفاف, يرى من نفسه القوة والعزة والكبرياء. بينما يعلم المتلوث بدنس الفحش الضعف من نفسه والضعة والتساقط أمام الشهوات"

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          • Maria al-Qibtiyya
            عضو
            • Oct 2012
            • 67

            #20
            المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maro مشاهدة المشاركة

            I'm really sorry for taking so long, I was doing some hard works in my garden that day & I got a sun hitthat's why I couldn't respond to anything last few days
            hope you understand my excuse

            Its okay.
            Don't be sorry.

            المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maro مشاهدة المشاركة

            And I still didn't fully recover yet... so please everybody, pray for me

            Ya Allah cure all the sick Muslims with ease. Ameen!

            المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maro مشاهدة المشاركة

            Salafi, Ahl El-hadeeth & Ahl El-sunnah are three different titles for the same group of Muslims... which
            we follow inshaa Allah



            Are Salafi & Ahul hadith & Ahlus sunnah names of same sect?
            How it could be?
            There are lots of differences among these three.
            How do you know these three are same?
            Everyone accused one another of bidhah?
            They contradict .
            Why do you say all these are same? Please elaborate.

            المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maro مشاهدة المشاركة
            Please do not stop asking about everything you'd like to know

            Thank you

            Wa'alaikum assalam

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            • BStranger
              عضو
              • Jun 2012
              • 957

              #21
              المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maria al-Qibtiyya مشاهدة المشاركة

              Are Salafi & Ahul hadith & Ahlus sunnah names of same sect?
              How it could be?
              There are lots of differences among these three.
              How do you know these three are same?
              Everyone accused one another of bidhah?
              They contradict .
              Why do you say all these are same? Please elaborate.
              These three groups never accused one another of Bida'a; you can't accuse yourself. What do you know about these three groups?
              قال الحسن الكتاني: «ما من مسألة اختلف فيها الفقهاء بين مشدد على المرأة وميسّر، فإن ابن حزم يسلك سبيل التيسير، وعنده أن المرأة في الأحكام كالرجل إلا ما خصّه الدليل... وأنظر إلى كثير من الفقهاء، خاصة المتأخرين منهم، فإنهم يلمح من كلامهم استنقاص المرأة والتحجير عليها مرة بحجة قصورها وأخرى بحجة سد الذرائع. وهذا ما لم أجده عند ابن حزم، بل الصالحات منهن عنده صالحات والفاسدات بحسب فسادهن، مثلهن في ذلك مثل الرجال».

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              • Maro
                طالب متدرب
                • Mar 2011
                • 2815

                #22
                المشاركة الأصلية كتبت بواسطة Maria al-Qibtiyya مشاهدة المشاركة
                Are Salafi & Ahul hadith & Ahlus sunnah names of same sect?
                How it could be?
                There are lots of differences among these three.
                How do you know these three are same?
                Everyone accused one another of bidhah?
                They contradict .
                Why do you say all these are same? Please elaborate.

                بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
                You may read again the meaning of every name of these, quoted from brother "Nur"'s answer
                1-The term: Ahlu Alsunnah Wa Aljamaa tranlates: people of Sunnah and majority
                Sunnah
                2- Salafi = person who sticks to the understanding of Salaf (companions and their followers) of the Quran and Sunnah (hadeeths and actions of the prophet)
                3-Ahlul Hadeeth - are people that stick to Hadeeth (besides Quran ofcourse)

                Please remember the fact that many conspirators pretend to be (Salafi) & attack what the term of (Ahl El-hadeeth)... or claim that they're (Ahl el-hadeeth) & attack (Ahl el-sunnah)... just to make Muslims confused, devided & weak

                sometimes they even invent new terms, such as (Wahabi) ! ... you may be surprised to know that there's nothing on earth called (Wahabi) !
                it was a British terminology during the invasion, made for the same purpose: making Muslims devided & weak


                the conspirators who help spreading these false information: might be extremist from other stray sects, such as Shia & Sufi... or
                maybe not muslims at all !
                that's for example, & maybe you've experienced something like that already


                If you'd like to make sure of that: you may tell us what are the -so called- differences between (Salafi) , (Ahl El-Sunnah) & (Ahl El-Hadeeth), & we'll prove them wrong inshaa Allah


                One last note here: to keep far from confusion... do not think so much of terminologies, just focus on worshiping Allah alone by following the way of Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon him) his true Sunnah & his companions
                Last edited by Maro; 06-10-2013, 08:27 AM.
                مَنْ بَايَعَ إِمَامًا فَأَعْطَاهُ صَفْقَةَ يَدِهِ وَثَمَرَةَ قَلْبِهِ فَلْيُطِعْهُ مَا اسْتَطَاعَ
                فَإِنْ جَاءَ آخَرُ يُنَازِعُهُ فَاضْرِبُوا عُنُقَ الآخَرِ !

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